The CBI inquiry team led by SP R M Krishna subjected Fr Thomas M Kottoor and Fr Jose Puthrukayil for the narcoanalysis in September, 2007. Both the priests had associated closely with the St Pius X Convent where the body of Sister Abhaya was found on March 27, 1992. The test result was submitted before the CJM Court on January 21 this year following directive of the High Court on January 11. [Abhaya killers identified? - The Indian Express]
The local news papers report that the Narco Analysis Test results hints at Fr. Thomas Kottoor as the culprit. News has it that the CBI will submit the final report at the Court on June 4th so we will know the culprits soon.
One of the main speculations about the reason behind 21-yrs old Sr. Abhaya's murder is that she came to know that some of her colleague nuns had sexual relationships with two Catholic priests - Fr Jose Putrukayal and Fr Thomas Kattoor. Now consider this point too - that Sr. Abhaya came from a poor family. I have heard stories (from reliable sources) of how poor nuns are being treated in the convents by their superiors. The nuns from wealthy and known families have special consideration inside the convent and the poor ones are treated badly.
On the other hand, some priests have indulged in sodomy and sexual abuse and affairs. There was a lady staying near my house and a young assistant Vicar used to frequent her house at late evenings. A couple of altar boys (an association of boys who help the priests with services in the church) had found out that the priest was having an affair with this woman. When the matter became public, the woman herself claimed that the priest is their distant relative (nobody has seen this distant relative in the place before he came to serve in our parish, but now we see him regularly even after he left our parish).
There were reports of sexual abuse of minor girls too. This has been happening in many parishes but in many cases the victims do not go public to avoid media attention and such pervert priests escape. In some cases, the local parish community has man-handled such priests. But such reaction from the community happens mostly in the village areas and urban areas tend to ignore such parish/religion related issues (as they are busy with their life).
The Church administration should not hold any sympathy for these pervert priests and should terminate their priesthood when they are found guilty. But the Church is not being ready to do so and these perverts keep on doing it again and again. This is also affecting the reputation and good work of other good priests and results in a bad reputation of the Catholic church.
I hope, at least this time, justice will be done to Sr. Abhaya's family and the guilty will be prosecuted as per law.
I will just say that ( in India ) Hindu Swamis have been subject to much worse stereotyping than priests or monks of any other religion. Recently we had a Kerala minister saying that 90% of them are "kaLLanmAr" or "thieves".
Does anyone in Kerala take the words of 'that' minister seriously? :-)
Well, my point is that it just wouldn't be acceptable in the society to make such comments about other religions - it would cause much of a controversy whereas in this case there is hardly an issue, let alone a tame one.
One reason could be that there are more number of fake multi-millionaire Gurus/God-men/God-women (individuals who benefit in the name of spirituality) in Hindu religion compared to other religions. Latest being the examples of Santhosh Madhavan and Swami Brahmananda who appeared in newspapers this week. Such individual looting is not possible in Christianity, as far as I know. There have been people who claimed to have 'special divine convictions' straight from Mary and Jesus, but they have never been approved of the church after detailed examinations (the last such person I remember is a woman from Kanchikode called Rani who claimed that the Holy bread turns to a piece of flesh when it goes to her mouth. Err... Well...).
There have been remarks from CPM about Christian leaders too. Remember the last time Pinarayi and Bishops fought against each other in the name of one word Pinarayi used in a CPM rally? (I don't remember what it was though). It was definitely not any better than kaLLanmaaR, I think.
Shameful!
Do we need these priests in life ? Be it any religion.
Isn't it enough if we pray to God whole heartedly?
Why should there be a Mutt with a leader or a Christian Pope, father etc. a Muslim Mullah or any other religious leader for that matter?
Can't we go to God directly and pray. Did God say anywhere in any religion..that you have to pray to me..through a priest?
Why all this nonsense ?
After all these people are also human beings..and they have harmones too and also the same brain that God gave to all of us...which has traces of everything.
In any case, "90%" is too beyond the pale. That is plain stereotyping to a degree not accepted as regards other religions.
BTW if you go to TN or Andhra you will find tonnes of Christian miracle-working missionaries and healers. I have heard about several cheating paradigms but haven't fact-checked most of those for want of time and enthu ( just like you seem to have insinuated against Kanchi Shankaracharya ). In Kerala we have the Pota church ( I am not saying it is fake - just that it is miracle-based ). Whether your Church accepts them or not doesn't matter - the ministers etc. won't make such statements about the miracle missionaries. Most temples don't have any form of miracle other than beliefs that if you do so-and-so vazipATu/nErcca so-and-so result will accrue.
I personally have a less-skeptical view than you have ( or so I think ). People I know closely and I trust have attested to certain things which seem genuine cases. However, such people usually try to hide their "talents" and claim that such are obstacles in their spiritual path.
Earlier you said "my point is that it just wouldn't be acceptable in the society to make such comments about other religions", and I pointed out that such comments have been made about Church leaders. Now you are worried about the "90%" and I could say that the word "nikR~shTa jeevi" (that was the word) is a lot worse and it has not been used about other religious leaders. :-) So the point is not what we have turned out this discussion to be, but how the priesthood in all religions have erred and corrupted and how badly it needs to be cleansed. The point is what NV has mentioned in the above comment.
You seem to be establishing that "my religion is better than your religion" kind of thing. And you said "Most temples don't have any form of miracle other than beliefs that if you do so-and-so vazipATu/nErcca so-and-so result will accrue" - Same is the case with Churches too. They do not have any form of miracles other than beliefs and rituals like the same vazhipaaTu, nERccha, daily poojas (kuRbana in Christian case). Then there are miracle healers and predictors in Hinduism (from Amritanandamayi, Sai Baba to the new Hi-tech Guru Sri Sri) and such centers are active in Christianity also (like Potta, Muringoor etc. even though they are not based on individual worship). The reason that many people keeping silent on these people/centers is because it has helped out many people and some of their money have been invested in the welfare of people. That is the sole reason many of the 'skeptics' are not taking on them, I believe.
Meanwhile, I do have high respect towards some people. I have always admired the writings of Guru Nithya Chaithanya Yathi (if he was willing to corrupt himself, he could have been thrice popular than Sri x 3), I first heard about Swami Chinmayananda's teachings from a Christian tuition teacher of mine etc. Whenever my Mother sees a lady from Chinmaya mission taking discourses on Bhagavad Gita (in ACV channel), she watches it with much interest. In the Christian community, I have big respect towards Fransiscan Brothers (Kappoocchin acchanmaaR as we call them in Malayalam - they still live a very simple life, their luxurious vehicle is a cycle even in this age) and Society of Vincent De Paul for the good work they are doing amongst the poor and needy without any publicity in the society. I admire them.
The nature of priesthood has changed a lot. Earlier they where people who lead simple life, who never distinguished people comes to them on the basis of money or social status. They never wanted to be in limelight. They never bargained for any favour showing the strength of there disciples or followers. But today these priests or swamis whom we watch in the above news do not belongs to this category. They are behind luxury, fame and power. They proclaim themselves as holy men. As Joe said there are priest to whom cycle is a luxurious vehicle. But those never come to the news or limelight. That may be the reason we do not know much about such good men.
How these culprits get popularity? That's what I am worried about. I think it may be change that occurred in our family set up and life style. We all are busy and have a lot of tensions and worries. This may be one factor that lead peoples towards such places.
I do respect the charitable works conducted by AMMA and Sri Sathya Sai Baba. I think it will not be fare to compare them with Santhosh Madhavan and others.
1. By "similar comments" not being admissible about other leaders I was always referring to the "90%" being "kaLLanmAr", not just the word "kaLLanmAr". Calling specific people nikRShTa-jIvi is different. Unless piNarAyi made a general statement of that sort about Christian priesthood, in which case I should correct myself.
2. It was not me who started "My religion is better". It was you who first said that the/your Church hasn't recognized miracle men/women. Then I said that most temples don't claim miracles either - I was pointing out the parallel, not superiority.
3. In any case I don't look down upon miracle-people because I don't a priori assume they are bogus ( so again the question of superiority never arose from my point of view ). I can understand skeptics saying "I don't have any incentive to believe in them, given that there are so many bogus parties among them". But I know many skeptics who say "Obviously all those are liars" and I don't agree with them.
4. Sorry for the digression, but I don't subscribe to your or Manikandan's "simple life" funda - in that saints should necessarily lead a simple life. If you put up a hut and start charity work none will contribute.
One samskRta-bhArati teacher told me that when saMskRta-bhArati submitted their tax statement or whatever in the US, the authorities were skeptical - because more than 90% of the funds went directly ( as per their accounts ) into the stated purpose of their organization. Apparently US organizations typically spend a large amount of their funds in advertising. So all this flashy set ups by modern gurus can be viewed as marketing work for their charity.
gAndhiji's autobiography explains the related spiritual concept beautifully - using the notion of trusteeship - that it is not possession of riches but possessiveness that is evil. That a sAdhaka has to always realize that the wealth, the land etc. that he/she uses is not actually his/hers - trusteeship as opposed to ownership - to be used appropriately/judiciously. Apparently it is in that sense that it is difficult for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. It is another story that gAndhiji himself advocated simple life for all.
1. By "similar comments" not being admissible about other leaders I was always referring to the "90%" being "kaLLanmAr", not just the word "kaLLanmAr". Calling specific people nikRShTa-jIvi is different. Unless piNarAyi made a general statement of that sort about Christian priesthood, in which case I should correct myself.
If 90% reference to Swamis was too much for you, then nikR~shTa jeevi would be too much for a practicing Christian. And the fact that it was aimed at specific people makes it much more worse than a general reference to priesthood. Are you sure if the same nikR~shTa jeevi reference was made specifically to Sri Sri or Amrutanandamayi you wouldn't be hurt or is it the general reference which would make you feel hurt more?
2. It was not me who started "My religion is better". It was you who first said that the/your Church hasn't recognized miracle men/women. Then I said that most temples don't claim miracles either - I was pointing out the parallel, not superiority.
I said that the Catholic church (Syro Malabar Church) doesn't approve of "individual God incarnations" and I have given an example of Rani from Kanchikode (it is one of the many examples, because many people have often tried to establish they have got "darSanam" straight from God). It is not to establish superiority of any sort, but just based on what I have seen and observed. In the Church, an individual cannot make people worship him/her, do paada pooja etc. But I'm not establishing that Potta and Muringoor is all well and fine. In an old report by India Today these retreat centers came second (first was Matha Amrutanandamayi Mutt) in receiving foreign funds.
I have also summed up my view on this in my last comment - that Temples and Churchs function the same way and Mutts and Ashrams too. It is fair as long as you are drawing parallels and not superiority.
3. In any case I don't look down upon miracle-people because I don't a priori assume they are bogus ( so again the question of superiority never arose from my point of view ). I can understand skeptics saying "I don't have any incentive to believe in them, given that there are so many bogus parties among them". But I know many skeptics who say "Obviously all those are liars" and I don't agree with them.
Completely opposite to you, I do look down on these "miracle people" (not the spirital gurus). Their fraud has been revealed in many videos which circulated over Internet. People like Benny Hinn is harshly criticized in America even amongst the protestant community (Heard from an online acquaintance of mine in America who is a protestant. He said Benny Hinn owns lots of houses, luxury cars etc).
I do pray everyday to God and I do believe that if God can make a miracle in my life, it doesn't have to be through such people. if that is the case, what is the point of believing in and praying to God? I believe priests and Gurus are supposed to help people spiritually, not to do cheap tricks to attract people and make money out of it. I have never gone to attend any convention in Potta or Muringoor even after many people have asked me to do so. Even if I get cancer or HIV in the future, I would never go there to cure my illness. I would rather pray intensively sitting at home or wherever I am.
4. Sorry for the digression, but I don't subscribe to your or Manikandan's "simple life" funda - in that saints should necessarily lead a simple life. If you put up a hut and start charity work none will contribute.
Leading simple life doesn't mean these people should live in a hut, but it also does not mean living in a luxurious house and travel in luxurious cars and market themselves as a product. Also I don't understand how you came to the conclusion that none will contribute if you do not market youselves. Let me show the Fransiscan brothers as an example. Every year they come home for their annual charity event (it would mostly be a theatre play) to raise funds and people contribute to them without question. They also present the contributors with the accounting after the show (same is the case with St Vincent De Paul society). Same way, when the parish asked for contribution towards celebrating the parish festival of St: Joseph, many families in my street decided not to spend a penny on that since our parish church has enough money to celebrate that festival and another contribution was unnecessary. What does this show? The new age Gurus might be justifying their marketing technics in the name of charity, but what I see is it is just them attaining celebacy.
1. I have actually heard such remarks about those gurus. But those don't amount to stereotyping - my point has been that stereotyping has been worse in the case of Hindu saints.
2. So I guess we don't disagree there?
3. Their fraud has been revealed in many videos which circulated over Internet.
That is stereotyping, again. In any case your belief that God wouldn't choose intermediaries to do miracles is based on your religious beliefs. Mine are different.
4. The question is how much impact things would make. And depending on the social position of the gurus etc. things could be different - perhaps higher marketing will imply higher contributions - how do you know?
By the way I have been to amRtapuri and there is absolutely no luxury there at all. I stayed overnight with my friend recently - those apartments are very small rooms ( like typical engineering college hostel single-rooms, perhaps? ) and are shared by two people. The bathrooms as well as these rooms - all are barely manageable. Even amma's room isn't A/C. Now if a devotee brings his/her superb car for amma to travel do you want her to refuse the devotee? During tours amma spends most of the day just sitting and hugging people, listening to their problems - very little sleep, very little food. Do you call that a luxurious life?
Further Christian parish-followers have much greater cohesiveness and they are much more regular with church visits, parish contributions etc. For temples on the other hand, Government takes all the revenue.
1. My point is that stereotyping happens about all religions and ultimately it is the bad/fake gurus/swamis/priests to blame for that than a minister or politcal party.
2. That's right.
3. That is not stereotyping at all. We were talking about miracle-people and such fraudsters have been revealed by many people including atheists and magicians (about producing laddu, gold etc out of nowhere). About the "miracle-healings", there may be genuine cases, but even there I believe it is something related to Holistic medicine.
Your assertion of Christian beliefs in this case is also wrong. The Christian church does have intermediaries but in the form of Saints. (This sainthood is usually given to them after death, so there is no possibility that they can financially benefit from this at all or make people worship them etc). My belief that God wouldn't choose intermediaries to do miracles is NOT based on my religious beliefs, but my personal beliefs. So I do not really pray to the intermediaries to bring favours from God. And I do have the right to voice out my beliefs just like you have the right to express yours. In your case, is that your personal belief or religious belief?
4. Well, that is the whole point. We will never know until they are revealed open in public. That's what happened with many such fake people. People believed in them blindly and wakes up to the truth on one fine day to find their Guru was a fraudster. And about higher marketing implying higher contributions, may be that is what they want.
About your reference to amRtauri stay, I could say the same thing about Potta/Muringoor ashrams too. People who went there said the same thing, perhaps worse. Bathroom is shared by many people and they have to wait for their turn in the mornings (I don't know if that has changed in the recent days). What you said about luxurious cars is what any Guru/Bishop would say, "my car was donated by a devotee/community member", "my trip to America was sponsored by him/her/they" etc etc. I wouldn't go any further on that as the money attained by these people is channelised for good deeds to an extend. So no comments.
1. Calling a specific person nikRShTajIvi is stereotyping? To some extent stereotyping does happen for all religions but no leader would say 90% of missionaries are thieves and get away with it.
2. Cool :-)
3. That was bad writing on my part; I meant personal belief. However
We were talking about miracle-people and such fraudsters
Now that is precisely stereotyping because you are combining miracle-people and fraudsters in one breath purely because there exist many miracle-people who have turned out to be fraudsters.
4. I was talking about permanent residents at amRtapuri. People who come and settle there permanently for spiritual improvement, not the lay devotees who believe the hugs will allay their difficulties. There have been westerners staying at the Ashram ever since the Ashram was just a small hut and the in-mates mostly slept on the sea-shore.
A devotee taking amma around in a reasonably nice car ( actually I am not knowledgeable about cars - it might be a bad car ) in US is perhaps the only luxury I have come seen of amma. I don't even know the case in India. AFAIK they all still live very simply because simplicity is all I have seen over there. Even in amma's American programmes I haven't seen any costly setup.
BTW do you have the same cribs about Vatican as you have about "jet setting gurus"?
To answer your question as to what is the Hindu belief about miracles I will have to think and formulate my answer carefully. Because I will have to quote from gIta, saints etc. to support my point. I might write a post on it some time, but not sure.
1. I would state my point here again: ... and ultimately it is the bad/fake gurus/swamis/priests to blame for
3. The answer to your concern about stereotyping lies in your question - because there exist many miracle-people who have turned out to be fraudsters. One miracle-man who have been blindly followed one day seems to be claimed as a fraudster later on, hence the stereo typing.
4. Same goes with the Potta ashram too. It was also started from a small set-up and then it grew up hugely and then came the Muringoor center to accomodate the larger crowd. There are also people who stay there permanently and on week-long stays. I haven't followed up on Amrutanandamayi much (after the miracle stuff in the initial stage, her speeches seems to be making sense) or any Christian retreat centers for that matter mainly because many people benefit from their institution and money.
BTW do you have the same cribs about Vatican as you have about "jet setting gurus"?
I have so far expressed and talked about my views on priesthood and the institutionalization of religion in both Christianity and Hinduism in all these comments and I do not think my comments on Vatican is needed to explain it further, if you haven't understood what I have been speaking about so far. I do have my viewpoints about Vatican, but would share it with people who share the same viewpoints about religion and priesthood.
This whole conversation is getting dull. The whole point of my post is what NV has summarized in his comment.
Jo is there a way to spot these con-men? Most of these people- gurus, priests are charming, sweet talking men. sophisticated,and unbelievable in the rhetorical abilities. It is impossible to pick out the rotten one.
Moreover the public, atleast a vast majority stll believe that these people are capable the things that they do. ( People just don't want to think abt the sexual frailities of their spiritual leaders.)
Irrespective of the exposals people no doubt will go after these fakers.
What you said is so true. Irrespective of what they have seen, people (even the so-called 'educated' sect) still go after these fakers. What a pity!
So if Hindu Swamis are stereotyped it is those fake dudes to blame but if Muslims are stereotyped it is Hindutva guys to blame! And you also had a problem with Christians being stereotyped as non-vegetarians!
You are twisting my statements to your liking or to please your prejudice. Let me try to explain it to you one last time.
I had not specifically mentioned "Hindu swamis" alone, but included priests too. Go through my previous comments.
In this specific case about priesthood, yes, ultimately they are to be blamed. But that doesn't mean I justify stereotyping because of their wrongdoings. I was pointing out why they were being stereotyped. Have I anywhere mentioned that stereotyping is justified because of the erring Swamis/Priests or even more, have I stereotyped all Hindu swamis? (I had even written about my admiration for Guru Nithya Chaithanya Yathi etc!!)
Your immediate comparison is pretty interesting. I blame Hindutva guys for stereotyping Christians and Muslims as a whole, as a religious community. Have I stereotyped Hindus or Hinduism as a whole just because there are some groups like VHP/RSS/Bajrang Dal? If I had, I wouldn't use the word "Hindutva vaadi", but "Hindus". If I had done so that would be stereotyping.
I am sure you know all this. It seems to me that you want to tag me with something. Go ahead, do it, rather than shooting twisted statements or questions on Vatican or Amma mutt. That would save both of us sometime.
the biggest assest with the spiritulity is that it evades any sort of rational discourse. So it is easy for its proponents to manipulate it to serve their end. NO QUESTIONS ASKED! There is fear factor too. You cannot question God, or here as the case is the Godmen, who weild equal power as God himeself. To top that, these Godmen demand the same sort of servitude from the followers as the religion does.
These men set forth tyrannical( cud be nothing else) doctrines for the followers, and the believers gulp them with out a second thought. But how do u account for the educated thinking, rational men and women going after these fakers? ( foreigners make a sizeable portion of the followers and at the same time we think it is difficult to cheat THE WHITE MAN !)
well...looks like i've come in really really late....
just wanted to add one line though..i read this in a website:
God wants spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.
True. :-)
I am a believer and a staunch catholic.
I want these priests, if found guilty to get the maximum punishment in our judiciary.
For the so-called priests like this, a common man's punishment won’t suffice. It should be 50 times the punishment given to a common man, for the influence and power they have in the society. Let the sentence be 50 lifetime imprisonment so that these $#%$# can never come out and see the daylight and smell the fresh air!
You all speak like this because you don't know the word of God and His ways. Every one is talking from their own understanding. Mediate on the Word of God which is Bible. You will realize the truth and the Truth will set you free. Don't look at others. Look at Jesus Christ the Savior. Don't look at pastors and priests. I was a Catholic but when I start reading Bible, I have given up the Catholic belief. There is only one God and only one way. That is through Jesus Christ only. Not through swami's, pastors, priests, neither through any religion including Christian religion. Salvation is personal and you will get it through Jesus Christ only. Because only Jesus died for the sin of man kind. God bless you friends.
Regarding Abhaya Case now everything is crystal clear.. Still why there is so much delay in arresting the suspected priests and nun
good to see that the comments donot harass anyone, eventhough the subject is sensitive. usually such blogs are full of mudslinging and fanacism. it is a truth that some religious heads are corrupt. it is more sensible to the believers to accept it rather than cover it up. It will surely purify the society.
jo,
i have doubt on your intention.. bcoz,, when i start readin i thought that u r tryin to say about something about a negative ppoint about our human society. but after readin the PS part, it's gone.. see these kind of things should be sweeped off from all human.. not ur religion or mine.. k.. this is the problem of the people like u. k .. think before u r sayin anythin . k
ALL THOSE ASS HOLE FATHERS / MOTHERS / MULLAS / MUTT HEADS / SEERS / SWAMI'S ARE REAL BASTARDS AND THEY ARE FOOLING COMMON MAN TO EAT THEIR STOOL !....
REAL BASTARDS..
GREAT INDIA!... NASTY POLITICS + NASTY RELIGIOUS BASTARDS MAKING OUR LIFE MISTERABLE AND SHAMEFUL FOR HUMAN BEINGS !...
SHAME MAN.... SHAME FOR LIVING HELPLESSLY AMONG THESE FUCKING BASTARDS...
The smajor thing here is not that it is done by priest. A priest too is a human and has the weakness of any otjer human. The question is why she got killed. There should be a logical reason for it. One thing that makes sense she saw some thing illegal happening and those who were doing it wasnted to kill were thse who doing the illegal thing. Since one more woman(St stephy) included naturally it could be a realted to an illegal relationship!
Secondly how can a prestigious investigation team in India (13 CBI teams!) can be influenced. It is only possible from central govt. Doesn't that mean it is an influnce happens in international level. Who is more strong? God or Christianity, I just wonder!
Let the CBI prove the case first, And I belive They are on the right track so far. I know its crazy , shameful and ridicules IF the findings of CBI is True.But your barefaced comments of how the nuns are treated in a convet beased on their family wealth is disastrous,stop taking position based on your poor understanding and stop generalising.Hold on Mr Jo.. You are clueless about the case So please stop your own damn verdict on the case. Let verdict comes from the Judge
[You are clueless about the case So please stop your own damn verdict on the case.]
In fact I watched the interview with the first CBI officer who was forced to quit because he was close to catcing these culprits 16 years ago who also pointed out changes made in the registers. In fact not only Abhaya was killed. She was raped too as per his findings. Becasue he "proved" that the medical reports were tampered with as he pointed out that the corrections are made later with a different pen in the regsister.
Also note that not people from any other religion was against the earlier conclusions. The action committe head is a christain, Abhaya'a parents are christians, and the first officer who claims that it is a murder is also another christain. So you cannot suspect a religios issue in this case.
many attempts happened to etrsoy the proof. The latest being 2 CDs which contains the video of narcotic analysis interestingly by the previous CBI team itself.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/abhaya-cbi-says-cd-tampered-with/356098/
Interestingly later it is found that CBI only did it eventough they blamed the narco team. Even if it is narco team who forced them to do it?
Dear Readers,
Once a woman was caught red handed in adultery by local village society leaders and brought to Jesus and said. As per the prevailing rule of Moses, she deserves death by pelting stones. All these villagers were carrying stones with them. After a patient listing to them, Jesus replied 'come forward those among you, who have not committed a sin'. In a pin drop silence, their thumbs started loosening to fall the stones down. Downing the heads, they started leaning out one by one. Then Jesus was writing something on the surface. Can we guess what it was ? Certainly, it cannot be what we think, but it could be the names of those first committed sin with her. Seeing that, they started vacating the place one by one.
What I want to says is nothing but a sinner - whether he is a Priest, or anyone from our society, we don't deserve to make any affirmative comment. As Jesus wishes, let those not committed any sin in his life, come forward to initiate proper punishment.
I am not here to blame any individual. I am bothered when the influnce happens in the large scale (from top of christainity) even though it is clear that they did it. Do you still suport christian organisation. Do we need a corrupted organisation to communicate with god? Note that any organisation or authority can exist only when people support them! Choose yourself!
Corruption is everywhere in all religions. The story that Ashok has reminded us is so enlightening. Ofcourse once such Priest are found violating law & humanity, there must be strict action against them. But we cannot help notice the good seeds sown by many ther good priests & nuns. Say mother Theresa, Sis Alphonsa, Fr Gonsalo gracious, Sis Nirmala & many many more even here in my place. We definately need spiritual leaders. They are the ones who guide us towards God & his Love. We need to pray for them. More of intercession is needed for these priests who have strayed away from their missions.
I agree with your point. I didn't say that all priests are bad. Same way all humans are not bad!
But I was talking about the attitude of the church even though these people are found guilty! They still insist that it is some planned act against christinity.
http://www.thehindu.com/2008/12/06/stories/2008120655040400.htm
"The CBI also submitted that the accused had used modern techniques in medical science to tamper with the key evidence in the case."
Can you imagine the advanced way of hiding the truth? Evn then the Church is still supporting them! I am only bothered about church's attitude towads this case and their motives!
who is jo? a business man right?
stop this stupid blog. go to hell
i know you will publish only selected one's that the same like your wish. stop man